Harper Created This Crisis, Harper Deserves To Fall

PRIME MINISTER LAID HIMSELF BARE..BUT WHY?
Jim Bender
Although it might appear to be a gross miscalculation on the Prime Ministers’ part, it might well be that he calculated his own demise with his plan to gut public political party financing subsidies in order to remove himself from office knowing full well that the opposition(which relies heavily upon those public dollars)would be up in arms over the plan, thereby forcing an election when they rejected the plan, leaving someone else(presumably not him)holding the bag for the ruined economy. And after the global economy begins its’ natural rebuild, Stephen Harper just might attempt to make a come back in some form or another but in his mind it’s for a majority, but I would probably think his come back would be more like a knight in a synthetic sweater carrying with him a bunch of stale promises to reform governments’ evil ways, the most of which he failed to accomplish anyway.(like a real accountability act)
The one thing it appears he probably didn’t anticipate was the idea that the opposition would be so incensed by his subsidy measure that instead of going into a costly election they might in fact form a coalition government(which would be the next best idea since our confederation)as none of them were/are financially “fit” enough(and one party lacks a permanent leader as of yet)to run another election campaign only a few short weeks after the last one.
Although the possibility of containing the three opposition parties under one umbrella for any length of time seems far fetched, I still like the idea because it allows for not just one partisan opinion, but it allows for the picking of the best and brightest ideas that are most suited to benefit the mass majority of Canadians versus the few ideas from one party that follows one ideology such as Stephen Harpers’ former Reformers but now Conservatives.
The funniest thing that I see going on in the news is the media charade being played out by “offended” CONservative MP’s that see something sinister in Gilles Duceppe and Jack Layton being invited to offer strategy,opinion and substantial ideas when in fact many Canadians agree that all the elected parties should be consulted when faced with massive decisions such as providing much needed stimulus to the economy and changes to our social systems and programs versus the petty manouverings of this ideologically driven machine that people call the Conservative party.
The Conservative government had attempted to rule by strong arm decree in the past even with their weak minority government, and obviously the Prime Minister laid his belly bare and to the lions with purpose when he instigated the largest showdown of his political career which just might see him carrying his bags to Stornoway.
With an economy now “technically’ in recession(to use the word of Jim Flaherty) and a government that bankrupted itself through silly tax cuts that is now headed for one of the largest deficits in Canadian history there is no doubt in my mind that Harper engineered his own demise as a way to avoid having to deal with the economic meltdown we are facing and to avoid tarnishing his reputation as an economist. Anything other than that would be brutally poor judgement on his behalf and if that is the case, then the man ought to go anyways.
Bring on the coalition. Many other countries use this idea, and Canada deserves an opportunity to move beyond the present scope of its’ political institutions and their party lines and move us truly into a state where all ideas are considered, not for their ideology, but for their merit. Too many good ideas get thrown to the side of the road in order to appease the party. It’s about time that more voices are heard, and a coalition is the best way to make those voices heard. And personally I would recommend that they look for some soft middle of the road Conservatives to join their ranks, I’m sure they are there and I am sure they do not all share the same political pitbull style that our PM seems to exude and may might be willing to jump off that sinking ship.
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38 Comments

  1. penlan
    Posted November 30, 2008 at 3:26 pm | Permalink

    I disagree that Harper wants "out" until the economic situation begins an upswing. He is running scared right now & he wouldn't be if that is what he wanted. The media blitz from the Cons will be intense this week & they have emailed out Con bot talking points for all their faithful to overwhelm all media forms.

    If he & the Cons ARE brought down (which I'm hoping) Harper will be replaced as leader. He will have crafted his own demise even though that was not his intent.

  2. penlan
    Posted November 30, 2008 at 3:26 pm | Permalink

    I disagree that Harper wants "out" until the economic situation begins an upswing. He is running scared right now & he wouldn't be if that is what he wanted. The media blitz from the Cons will be intense this week & they have emailed out Con bot talking points for all their faithful to overwhelm all media forms.

    If he & the Cons ARE brought down (which I'm hoping) Harper will be replaced as leader. He will have crafted his own demise even though that was not his intent.

  3. Anonymous
    Posted November 30, 2008 at 6:02 pm | Permalink

    Don’t count on Harper being replaced if the government falls. Count on him being replaced if he loses the next election.

    The opposition had better pray the public will get behind this so called coalition of theirs or they’ll be looking at a Harper majority after the next election.

    This coalition stuff may go over in places like Italy but it has yet to be proven that Canadians will buy into it.

  4. Anonymous
    Posted November 30, 2008 at 6:02 pm | Permalink

    Don’t count on Harper being replaced if the government falls. Count on him being replaced if he loses the next election.

    The opposition had better pray the public will get behind this so called coalition of theirs or they’ll be looking at a Harper majority after the next election.

    This coalition stuff may go over in places like Italy but it has yet to be proven that Canadians will buy into it.

  5. Glad to see the old school close
    Posted November 30, 2008 at 9:43 pm | Permalink

    Many people are interested in the possibility that very soon we could have a government where no-one holds a majority, yet a majority is willing to work together to deal with this nations problems.

  6. Glad to see the old school close
    Posted November 30, 2008 at 9:43 pm | Permalink

    Many people are interested in the possibility that very soon we could have a government where no-one holds a majority, yet a majority is willing to work together to deal with this nations problems.

  7. Anonymous
    Posted November 30, 2008 at 10:52 pm | Permalink

    4:43,

    That would be nice but I’m afraid it’s a fantasy. So far it seems they’re only willing to work together to solve their own problems.

  8. Anonymous
    Posted November 30, 2008 at 10:52 pm | Permalink

    4:43,

    That would be nice but I’m afraid it’s a fantasy. So far it seems they’re only willing to work together to solve their own problems.

  9. Anonymous
    Posted December 1, 2008 at 11:22 am | Permalink

    I’ve been steaming over this coup attempt brewing in Ottawa and I’ve decided what I’ll do if the Libs and NDP stage their little take over.

    I’m going to donate my income tax installment that’s due soon to the CPC. I pay my taxes to the legitimate, elected government.

    The people of this country did not vote for a coalition. The Libs/NDP/Bloc did NOT campaign as a coalition. A coalition was not offered as an option on the ballot.

    What’s going on in Ottawa may be permitted by the Constitution but it is most certainly not democratic. A coalition will result in a government that NOBODY voted for.

    Stephane Dion, Canada’s first tin pot dictator. Welcome to the third world Canada.

  10. Anonymous
    Posted December 1, 2008 at 11:22 am | Permalink

    I’ve been steaming over this coup attempt brewing in Ottawa and I’ve decided what I’ll do if the Libs and NDP stage their little take over.

    I’m going to donate my income tax installment that’s due soon to the CPC. I pay my taxes to the legitimate, elected government.

    The people of this country did not vote for a coalition. The Libs/NDP/Bloc did NOT campaign as a coalition. A coalition was not offered as an option on the ballot.

    What’s going on in Ottawa may be permitted by the Constitution but it is most certainly not democratic. A coalition will result in a government that NOBODY voted for.

    Stephane Dion, Canada’s first tin pot dictator. Welcome to the third world Canada.

  11. Glad to see the old school close
    Posted December 1, 2008 at 11:23 am | Permalink

    The wheels are falling off the Con communications/propaganda wagon!

    How long will the muzzles stay on? Harper is tightening the muzzles on his goons as we speak, but the threads are all fraying at the sides.

    Stick a fork in it!

    The REAL Canada is back! And my sincere apologies to the world… we let ourselves be hijacked by a minority of NeoCon ideologues, but now we are taking back Canada away from their fascist hands.

  12. Glad to see the old school close
    Posted December 1, 2008 at 11:23 am | Permalink

    The wheels are falling off the Con communications/propaganda wagon!

    How long will the muzzles stay on? Harper is tightening the muzzles on his goons as we speak, but the threads are all fraying at the sides.

    Stick a fork in it!

    The REAL Canada is back! And my sincere apologies to the world… we let ourselves be hijacked by a minority of NeoCon ideologues, but now we are taking back Canada away from their fascist hands.

  13. Anonymous
    Posted December 1, 2008 at 11:59 am | Permalink

    “The REAL Canada is back!”

    Yeah. If you think the real Canada is represented by an unelected coalition with no public mandate that is held together only by their need to raid the purses and wallets of the electorate. That sounds like fascism to me.

    We need another election. Right now.

  14. Anonymous
    Posted December 1, 2008 at 11:59 am | Permalink

    “The REAL Canada is back!”

    Yeah. If you think the real Canada is represented by an unelected coalition with no public mandate that is held together only by their need to raid the purses and wallets of the electorate. That sounds like fascism to me.

    We need another election. Right now.

  15. Anonymous
    Posted December 1, 2008 at 4:35 pm | Permalink

    so who is the right wing lunatic??? i agree, stick a fork in it and call it done, and oh ya,,these folks where elected, by the majority of canadians.,look at the election results, less than twenty five percent of the population voted for the cpc. that, is what is undemocratic.

  16. Anonymous
    Posted December 1, 2008 at 4:35 pm | Permalink

    so who is the right wing lunatic??? i agree, stick a fork in it and call it done, and oh ya,,these folks where elected, by the majority of canadians.,look at the election results, less than twenty five percent of the population voted for the cpc. that, is what is undemocratic.

  17. Anonymous
    Posted December 1, 2008 at 4:40 pm | Permalink

    “less than twenty five percent of the population voted for the cpc. that, is what is undemocratic.”

    0% of the population voted for a Lib/NDP/Bloc government. You call that democratic?

    Let’s be democratic. Call an election, RIGHT NOW! That would be democratic.

  18. Anonymous
    Posted December 1, 2008 at 4:40 pm | Permalink

    “less than twenty five percent of the population voted for the cpc. that, is what is undemocratic.”

    0% of the population voted for a Lib/NDP/Bloc government. You call that democratic?

    Let’s be democratic. Call an election, RIGHT NOW! That would be democratic.

  19. Chris
    Posted December 1, 2008 at 10:21 pm | Permalink

    Oh crap another election would be the almost as dumb, and cost almost as much on us tax payers as keeping the conservatives in power. I would be glad if the conservatives would be overthrown. WE NEED A MAJORITY GOVERNMENT, PERIOD.

  20. Chris
    Posted December 1, 2008 at 10:21 pm | Permalink

    Oh crap another election would be the almost as dumb, and cost almost as much on us tax payers as keeping the conservatives in power. I would be glad if the conservatives would be overthrown. WE NEED A MAJORITY GOVERNMENT, PERIOD.

  21. Anonymous
    Posted December 1, 2008 at 11:43 pm | Permalink

    We need an ELECTED majority government. Since 3 of the 4 parties are not prepared to abide by the decision made by the electorate we’ll just have to do it again and hope the electorate vote for a majority.

    If the Libs/NDP/Bloc want to campaign as a coalition party and get elected that’s fine and good. As is stands now they have no mandate from the people to form a government.

    Dion was rejected as PM by the electorate. He should not be allowed to sneak in by the back door.

    Anyone who voted NDP believed they were voting for an opposition party and that Layton stood no chance of forming a government.

    And I’m damned sure that no one who voted Bloc thought they were voting for the New Government of Canada. The Bloc exists for one purpose, to break up the country. How desperate for power do Dion and Layton have to be to invite the Bloc to be part of a coalition government? They should not sit as part of a coalition government and anyone that would invite them to do so is not suited to sit in Parliament let alone form a government.

    This coalition in no way represents what the voters intended when they cast their ballots two short months ago.

    I feel like the victim of a bait and switch con.

  22. Anonymous
    Posted December 1, 2008 at 11:43 pm | Permalink

    We need an ELECTED majority government. Since 3 of the 4 parties are not prepared to abide by the decision made by the electorate we’ll just have to do it again and hope the electorate vote for a majority.

    If the Libs/NDP/Bloc want to campaign as a coalition party and get elected that’s fine and good. As is stands now they have no mandate from the people to form a government.

    Dion was rejected as PM by the electorate. He should not be allowed to sneak in by the back door.

    Anyone who voted NDP believed they were voting for an opposition party and that Layton stood no chance of forming a government.

    And I’m damned sure that no one who voted Bloc thought they were voting for the New Government of Canada. The Bloc exists for one purpose, to break up the country. How desperate for power do Dion and Layton have to be to invite the Bloc to be part of a coalition government? They should not sit as part of a coalition government and anyone that would invite them to do so is not suited to sit in Parliament let alone form a government.

    This coalition in no way represents what the voters intended when they cast their ballots two short months ago.

    I feel like the victim of a bait and switch con.

  23. Anonymous
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 1:10 am | Permalink

    Today’s Top Headlines…..

    ‘We are ready to form a new government”

    “TSX Drops More Than 800 Points”

  24. Anonymous
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 1:10 am | Permalink

    Today’s Top Headlines…..

    ‘We are ready to form a new government”

    “TSX Drops More Than 800 Points”

  25. penlan
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 2:33 am | Permalink

    The Stock Exchange drop was worse. It has nothing to do with politics here. Unemployment figures in the States rose tremendously in Nov. & the report said that the U.S. has been in a recession since 2007 – officially now. This affected markets & exchanges GLOBALLY today.
    So has nothing to do with what went on here today politically.

    And forget the Con economic hawks who were blaming the coalition. They are Con supporters like you. Do your homework & read the financial sections of the newspapers in the States as well.

  26. penlan
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 2:33 am | Permalink

    The Stock Exchange drop was worse. It has nothing to do with politics here. Unemployment figures in the States rose tremendously in Nov. & the report said that the U.S. has been in a recession since 2007 – officially now. This affected markets & exchanges GLOBALLY today.
    So has nothing to do with what went on here today politically.

    And forget the Con economic hawks who were blaming the coalition. They are Con supporters like you. Do your homework & read the financial sections of the newspapers in the States as well.

  27. Anonymous
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 10:12 am | Permalink

    The written contacts that formalize the coalition have been published.

    Here’s the first sentence from one of them… “This document outlines the key understandings between the Liberal Party of Canada and the New Democratic Party of Canada regarding a new cooperative government.”

    Well. Silly me. I didn’t think Dion and Layton had enough seats to form a government but this document makes it look like they do.

    There’s no mention of the Bloc. They don’t have the seats without the Bloc. They’re too embarrassed to admit that they can’t pull off this coup without the Bloc’s support so they reserve mention of the Bloc to the fine print. This document was designed to try to conceal the fact that Dion and Layton have invited the Bloc to form a coalition government.

    Every piece of legislation tabled by this coalition will be dependent on Quebec Separatists for it’s passage. Quebec Separatists will hold a veto over the Government of Canada for the foreseeable future.

    Here’s another line….”Furthermore, upon its formation, the government will put in place a permanent consultation mechanism with the Bloc Québécois.”

    The english translation of that line is, “Secret side deals with the Separatists will be required to permit the government to function.

    Gilles Duceppe will be in charge. He will decide what passes and what doesn’t. This takes vote buying to a new level. They’re not just buying votes from the public. Now they’re buying votes from our very own Quebec Separatist Party.

    Dion drafted the Clarity Act. He’s celebrated as one of the great Federalists. Now he’s agreeing to fund Quebec Separation so he can be Prime Minister. He’s a pathetic little man who will happily sell his soul and the integrity of Parliament for a brief fling as Prime Minister.

    Stephane Dion has done for the Liberal Party what Brian Mulroney did for the Conservatives. He drove his part’s support to a 100 yr low. His Party has fired him and are preparing to elect a new leader. Now, with Layton’s full support, he’s turning the reins of power over to Quebec Separatists.

    The Governor General should reject this proposal of theirs and call an election. A government that has to serve the cause of Quebec Separation to survive has no right govern.

  28. Anonymous
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 10:12 am | Permalink

    The written contacts that formalize the coalition have been published.

    Here’s the first sentence from one of them… “This document outlines the key understandings between the Liberal Party of Canada and the New Democratic Party of Canada regarding a new cooperative government.”

    Well. Silly me. I didn’t think Dion and Layton had enough seats to form a government but this document makes it look like they do.

    There’s no mention of the Bloc. They don’t have the seats without the Bloc. They’re too embarrassed to admit that they can’t pull off this coup without the Bloc’s support so they reserve mention of the Bloc to the fine print. This document was designed to try to conceal the fact that Dion and Layton have invited the Bloc to form a coalition government.

    Every piece of legislation tabled by this coalition will be dependent on Quebec Separatists for it’s passage. Quebec Separatists will hold a veto over the Government of Canada for the foreseeable future.

    Here’s another line….”Furthermore, upon its formation, the government will put in place a permanent consultation mechanism with the Bloc Québécois.”

    The english translation of that line is, “Secret side deals with the Separatists will be required to permit the government to function.

    Gilles Duceppe will be in charge. He will decide what passes and what doesn’t. This takes vote buying to a new level. They’re not just buying votes from the public. Now they’re buying votes from our very own Quebec Separatist Party.

    Dion drafted the Clarity Act. He’s celebrated as one of the great Federalists. Now he’s agreeing to fund Quebec Separation so he can be Prime Minister. He’s a pathetic little man who will happily sell his soul and the integrity of Parliament for a brief fling as Prime Minister.

    Stephane Dion has done for the Liberal Party what Brian Mulroney did for the Conservatives. He drove his part’s support to a 100 yr low. His Party has fired him and are preparing to elect a new leader. Now, with Layton’s full support, he’s turning the reins of power over to Quebec Separatists.

    The Governor General should reject this proposal of theirs and call an election. A government that has to serve the cause of Quebec Separation to survive has no right govern.

  29. Anonymous
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 4:55 pm | Permalink

    The remedy is for Mr Harper to eat the old crow(it’s delicious when lightly floured)gird up his loins a bit,perhaps ask the dear lady of the house for a tiny bit of ky jelly first(cherry perhaps?)and prepare for the probing of his life from his fellowmen. Oh poor Nero where art thou now?

  30. Anonymous
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 8:14 pm | Permalink

    lance, you old conservative, i recognize your style of writing. why are you in a left based forum trying to convert a bunch of people who think that a coalition is the only way to go. why are you touting the knee jerk old world catch phrases that made no sense even back then? paranoia has destroyed ya boyo. just like the cons will destroy us if we, the people (to paraphrase a line from what is obviously your favourite country) allow them (the cons) to carry on in such an undemocratic fashion.

  31. Anonymous
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 10:21 pm | Permalink

    Oh The headlines! I can just see them now.Prime Minister Harper not only unites the right, he united the left as well! Undoubtedly the greatest feat ever for one man, he will be remembered for his miscue for ages to come.

  32. Anonymous
    Posted December 2, 2008 at 11:36 pm | Permalink

    Oh my. Catch the sarcasm.

  33. Anonymous
    Posted December 3, 2008 at 11:31 am | Permalink

    “lance, you old conservative,…..”

    Lance? There’s no Lance posting here. You’re imagining things. That’s one of the first symptoms of paranoia. 🙂 …followed by confusion and an inability to distinguish fantasy from reality, which explains the rest of your post.

  34. Anonymous
    Posted December 3, 2008 at 11:36 am | Permalink

    ‘he united the left as well! “

    United the left? He didn’t even manage to unite the Liberals. Ignatief is balking. By the time this comes to a vote there won’t be enough occupied Liberal chairs to bring down the government.

    This thing started because a pathetic little man named Dion wants to be Prime Minister. It will fail because Ignatief wants to be Prime Minister.

  35. Anonymous
    Posted December 3, 2008 at 6:39 pm | Permalink

    Great news! Jacques Parizeau, the granddaddy of Quebec hard line separatists has endorsed the coalition!

    There’s nothing like a glowing endorsement from someone who has always had Canada’s best interests at heart.

  36. Anonymous
    Posted December 3, 2008 at 7:59 pm | Permalink

    We need a strong leader to step up and provide vision. I don’t care if it is Mr. Harper or the coalition, but in these volatile times we need stability from our politicians. Based on the results of our election Mr. Harper gets the first chance, but if what the Conservatives offered last week is his best shot, then he must go. Now is not the time for partisan politics, but that is what we got from Mr. Harper last week. We need vision and action, and if Harper is unwilling or unable to provide it then the coalition should be allowed to step in. Mr. Harper should be given another chance, but he needs to correct last weeks mistakes in the next few weeks, not wait several months. Look to the U.S. for a good example. President Obama is gathering a strong team around him, by picking who he considers the best person for the job, not simply the best Democrat that has supported him in the past.

  37. Anonymous
    Posted December 3, 2008 at 9:08 pm | Permalink

    Parizeau predicted in 1991 that the Bloc would eventually create utter chaos in Canada and its Parliament—an “Italian-style parliament” in Ottawa— a place so fundamentally deranged and incapable of functioning, that it would ultimately lead to the breakup—the destruction—of Canada. “It’s in the interest of sovereigntists that not too many people still look at Ottawa as though it was a stable, serious government,“ is what he said.

    No wonder he approves of the coalition. It’s the culmination of his life’s work.

  38. Anonymous
    Posted December 4, 2008 at 3:04 am | Permalink

    Good golly. Parizeau?


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